May 25, 2006

Let's play Spot the Logical Fallacy!

As many of my readers know, I am also a blogger for the God Is For Suckers Blog. That site gets a lot more traffic, which means it also gets a lot more theist spam. And sometimes, it's too deliciously stuff with logical fallacies and ignorance to ignore.

Edited only for paragraph breaks because apparently Gawd doesn't like proper grammar.

Because we have not personally experienced something doesn’t mean it isn’t real. Because you have not seen good or evil spirit, angels or demons, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Because you can’t see something doesn't mean it doesn’t exist, whether far away planets we see more of with stronger telescopes, or the microscopic that can only be seen with powerful electron microscopes. Because we have not seen heaven or hell, also doesn’t mean they don’t exist and are not real.

Do you really believe man is nothing more than a sophisticated accident, though we still don’t fully understand it because it is so complex and that we just die like a dog and rot like a log and there is nothing more? If there is no life after this life, then there is no reason to live at all and life is useless and meaningless and there is no reason not to just end it all now if I will never know the difference after I die.

You go ahead and believe that because you won’t wish to consider that their just might be a God who created and gave life that we will one day be accountable to. It makes far more sense than the insanity of evolution. Do you call that fiction, science? Real science totally disproves the possibility of evolution. Science is something you can prove and recreate.
The second law (real science) of thermodynamics is the law of entrophy. Energy, the subject of the first law of thermodynamics and entrophy, the second law, and their relationship are fundamental to an understanding not just of physics, but to life. The fact is all things are winding down, going from more orderly to less orderly. Look at man and sicknesses. Today millions of children in America have diseases that were not heard of in children 50 years ago.

Look at anything, the sun, the stars, your health until you die, all things are winding downward not getting better. With all our increasing knowledge and medicine we are not getting healthier there is sure no evolutionary process upward that has ever been seen or proven. Oh, there are evolutionary processes, within species, but the idea of one becoming another, that you came from some primordal soup. Ha. That is greater faith and religion than believing in a God who can create it.

Believing that all things are just accidental and of nature is the insanity I see, not logic. Logic says a creation demands a creator. We have things because men make them, build them, create them. You don’t get something from nothing, life from non-life, complex things from simple things accidentally. An explosion creates chaos, nor order.

You can believe that belief in a God is crazy, but logic says that there is more to life than accident and hapenstance. But look at it this way. IF, you are wrong and there is a hell and eternal punishment for the wicked and you live life your way, you loose, forever. IF, one believes in God and morals and lives a good and right life and there happens to be no eternal life, no loss, for after death you wouldn’t know the difference. But if one who lives that way because they believe in a God who will judge is right, they gain everything.

So, you see, faith is the only possibility with something to gain and nothing to loose. Unbelief has nothing to gain and everything to loose. Play our odds if your a gambler, after all it would be 50-50, or is it? If a house was on fire and you could save someone, but did nothing to do so, does that make you responsible for the lost lives you could have saved, or at least tried to save? Is it any different with faith in a God?

Will you delete this because it isn’t more athiestic, hateful babble.


Actually, Asshat, it got deleted because it broke the rules. But don't let that stop your psychotic persecution complex.

Let's play Spot the Logical Fallacy! (I am not going to respond to everything as a lot of this is just repetition - ironically proving that this is nothing more than this weirdo's indoctrination.)

Quote #1: "Because we have not personally experienced something doesn’t mean it isn’t real."

*bzzt* What is appeal to ignorance?

In part, this is true. However, absurdities are (or rather should be) easy to detect. You haven't seen the refrigerator stuffed of baseball sized diamonds in my backyard, either, so by your logic, you don't know and can't tell me it doesn't exist. Even though you have not been to my backyard, even you know it's not there.

Angels, Demons, Heaven, Hell - these are archetypes and mythologies. As Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, and Brigadoon.


Quote #2: "Do you really believe man is nothing more than a sophisticated accident,"

No.

*Bzzt* What is argumentum ad ignorantiam?

Cont: "though we still don’t fully understand it because it is so complex and that we just die like a dog and rot like a log and there is nothing more?"

Yes.

Cont: "If there is no life after this life, then there is no reason to live at all and life is useless and meaningless and there is no reason not to just end it all now if I will never know the difference after I die."

I'm sorry you're so depressed. But thank you for highlighting the self-obsessed nature of faith. For you, life is meaningless if there's no eternal beach party in Heaven with JC and the Holy Bunch. It's pathetic and tragic that you can't find joy in THIS life HERE AND NOW, because there isn't a big reward FOR YOU at the end. Selfish. Completely and totally selfish.

Quote #3: "You go ahead and believe that because you won’t wish to consider that their just might be a God who created and gave life that we will one day be accountable to. "

*bzzt* What is a Strawman?

We don't believe that we're an accident - even a sophisticated one. Learn a little about evolution before telling us we're accidents. Most of us don't believe in an afterlife, but again, we don't believe in Flying Purple People Eaters either. Absurdities don't deserve that much respect.


Quote #3: "It makes far more sense than the insanity of evolution. Do you call that fiction, science? Real science totally disproves the possibility of evolution. Science is something you can prove and recreate.

The second law (real science) of thermodynamics is the law of entrophy. Energy, the subject of the first law of thermodynamics and entrophy, the second law, and their relationship are fundamental to an understanding not just of physics, but to life."

*bzzt* What is argumentum ad ignorantiam AGAIN?

And it would be great if you bothered to learn about either before wasting our time with these tired old lies.

First: Talk Origins That website will help you be less of an ignorant dumbass.
Second: The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution, and Probability This will shred your assertion that evolution violates this law. Nice try, Creationist.

This link: An Index to Creationist Claims Will debunk all the other inane and painfully stupid creationist claims you no doubt spout as well.

Quote #4: The fact is all things are winding down, going from more orderly to less orderly. Look at man and sicknesses. Today millions of children in America have diseases that were not heard of in children 50 years ago.

Look at anything, the sun, the stars, your health until you die, all things are winding downward not getting better."

Okay, instead of dealing with the claim in this sentence: Class, can anyone guess where this is going?

That's right, the woefully stupid "one species turning into another" crap.

Quote #5: "With all our increasing knowledge and medicine we are not getting healthier there is sure no evolutionary process upward that has ever been seen or proven. Oh, there are evolutionary processes, within species, but the idea of one becoming another, that you came from some primordal soup. Ha. That is greater faith and religion than believing in a God who can create it."

*BZZT* What is composition fallacy?

It sure would, if that's what the Theory of Evolution said. You're grave ignorance is showing again. No surprises there.

Nowhere does the theory state on species magically transforms into another. Humans and Chimps (like Bush - I kid!) came from the same ancestor, that's undeniable - well, it's undeniable for honest and informed people. But no one is suggesting that monkeys magically transform into humans.

But thank you for showing us that humans do turn in to shit slinging monkeys.

Quote #6: "Believing that all things are just accidental and of nature is the insanity I see, not logic."

*bzzt* What is a Strawman AGAIN? We don't believe that.

Quote #7: "Logic says a creation demands a creator. We have things because men make them, build them, create them. "

*bzzzt* What is confusion of correlation and causation?

The Blind Watchmaker Goodness. Do you people EVER read anything about evolution (that's not written by other Cretinists) before writing long, ill informed posts about nonsense? Are you ever honest enough to give it even a quick spin before coming to show us how clueless you are? Ever?

Quote #8: "You can believe that belief in a God is crazy, but logic says that there is more to life than accident and hapenstance."

*bzzt* What is begging the question?

Right, an how exactly does that automatically point to god? Even if evolution is a horrible fallacy, that does not automatically make god the only other option.

Quote #8: "But look at it this way. IF, you are wrong and there is a hell and eternal punishment for the wicked and you live life your way, you loose, forever. IF, one believes in God and morals and lives a good and right life and there happens to be no eternal life, no loss, for after death you wouldn’t know the difference. But if one who lives that way because they believe in a God who will judge is right, they gain everything."

*bzzt* What is Pascal's Wager

What if when you get to your eternal beach party, you meet not whatever god you believe in now, but a different one. If you're a Christer, and you meet not Jesus, but Allah, we'll see you in hell.

See, this argument only works if your god is the one the exists. Since humans have worshiped thousands upon thousands of gods throughout history - and, more notably have failed to produce a single shred of evidence for any of them - you stand a much higher chance of being wrong then we do.

Quote #9: "So, you see, faith is the only possibility with something to gain and nothing to loose. Unbelief has nothing to gain and everything to loose."

*bzzt* What is argument from adverse consequences?

Cont: "Play our odds if your a gambler, after all it would be 50-50, or is it?"

The odds are VERY FAR from 50/50. See Pascal's Wager answer.

Quote #10: "If a house was on fire and you could save someone, but did nothing to do so, does that make you responsible for the lost lives you could have saved, or at least tried to save? Is it any different with faith in a God?'

*Bzzt* What is non sequitur?

It is Very different. First, if there was a house fire and I did nothing, not even calling the fire department, that would make me (at best) immoral and (at worse) guilty of manslaughter - or murder if I also started the fire.

But this has nothing to do with faith in god. I can see a house fire. I can hear people screaming for help. Therefore, I am compelled to respond.

You have not one single shred of evidence that god exists. Or heaven, or hell, or demons or angels. You choose to believe them, or you were indoctrinated to believe them. And you do so only to get your ass into heaven. Yours is a selfish faith.

This is in NO WAY related to a house fire. Bad analogy.

Lastly, read this: Sam Harris Responds to A Christian for a little more insight.

So, fellow heathens? What's the score?